Posts by Touchofgrey

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Why Did God Create Us?

by Sea Breeze in

jesus is the creator god, but why did he create us?

what say you?.

If you believe the bible story god is a narcissistic control freak who introduced a unfair test on Adam and eve, knowing that they would fail ,so he could introduce the concept of sin in which he has used as a weapon to exercise control over the offspring of Adam and eve.

And then he sent his son/ self to give his life as a ransom in order to repay himself and then uses his death and resurrection as a means to again exercise his control over people and holds that over people today, like holding a gun to someone head .

If you fail to agree with him and recognize that you are a sinner and come under his control you will suffer eternal torment.

So If you believe that the bible is true you were created to be controlled by a narcissistic control freak.

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God or Satan?

by peacefulpete in

the theme of my recent comment in another thread demonstrated how in some circles the 'word/logos' had become understood to be implied within ot texts that mention an angel or destroyer (in the case of ex 12).

the comment got no response so i'll repost it now as a springboard for a further observation:.

here's another example of the extreme personification of the logos/word from the wisdom of solomon (approx.

Touchofgrey

https://www.bartehrman.com/when-were-the-gospels-written/

Some due diligence from biblical scholars, not just a matter of faith but on the evidence of their decades of independent research, some if not most were evangelical Christian at one time.

The life expectancy at that time was around 40-45 years.

The apostle were described as unlettered and ordinary men, which most likely meant they didn't have access to schooling.

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The Watchtower—Study Edition | January 2025 Husbands, Honor Your Wife

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

14 a husband who physically or verbally abuses his wife needs to take additional steps to repair his relationship with jehovah and with his wife.

what are these steps?

first, he recognizes that he has a serious problem.

Touchofgrey

False accusations of flirting and affairs, included sister's in the hall that we had known for many years.

That i was not a good husbands, father and never worked hard enough,

Limited contact with my parents and my siblings, even though they were jws

Controlled my mobile phone even stopped me having one for a while and access to my tablet.

What I watched on tv ,

With held affection and the silent treatment sometimes for days.

Alienated me from my kids .

Wouldn't contribute to the household bills

Being critical of almost anything I did and said

Would say hateful things and mask them as a joke.

Probably more, but that's enough for now.

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The Watchtower—Study Edition | January 2025 Husbands, Honor Your Wife

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

14 a husband who physically or verbally abuses his wife needs to take additional steps to repair his relationship with jehovah and with his wife.

what are these steps?

first, he recognizes that he has a serious problem.

Touchofgrey

Men are equally victims of domestic abuse, looking back to when we were courting there were red flags, as the years went by it intensified very slowly then about 6years I escaped with the help of domestic abuse agency for Male victims.

There was no physical violence against me only physiological manipulation and coercive control and had a effect on my physical health and to everyone else she was a nice sister in the hall .so after I left the house the elders were insisting that I returned to the marriage and I was told that a man should never leave his wife and this was repeated many times.

But again the expert help and advice from the domestic abuse agency I never did return to the abusive marriage and went through a horrendous divorce.

So please if something doesn't feel right in your marriage whether Male or female contact a domestic abuse agency avoid the elders at all costs.

Its not a easy thing to leave a abusive relationship but with the help of experts it can be done, when the time is right (took me a few years because of my kids).

If physical violence please contact the authorities asap.

Living my best life now ,free from a abusive marriage and a abusive and controlling religion, they both use the same tactics to control their victims.

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Why Did God Create Us?

by Sea Breeze in

jesus is the creator god, but why did he create us?

what say you?.

Touchofgrey

https://medium.com/@mythopia/twelve-creator-gods-abridged-article-c32c5ae26930

It might have also been anyone of these gods 🤔

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Pentecost Again

by peacefulpete in

it has been discussed on this forum many times how many gospel elements were sourced from the ot and related traditions and recast as typological 'fulfillments'.

the same is true of certain sections from acts.

i recently ran across an interesting section of the talmud that certainly seems a good candidate for the inspiration for pentecost scene in acts 2.. recall that the shavuot or pentecost festival was linked to the exodus story of the reception of the 10 commandments on mt sinai.

Touchofgrey

Thanks peacefulpete

Interesting how these authors adapted these stories and made them seem as actual events.

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Why so many cult leaders have weird relationship issues and dysfunctional marriages?

by buzkid in

why do so many cult leaders have weird relationship issues and dysfunctional marriages?russell coudn't get along with his wife mariah.

rutherford had trouble with his wife and sent her away.. eric wilson says it's o.k.

if you don't get legally married as long as you have a "spiritual marriage" in his latest video response to the situation of people coming forward complaining about the abusive religious tactics his "wife" practices and he condones.. i ask this question in a previous post but it deserves it's own discussion definitely:why is it that so many cult leaders have weird relationship issues and dysfunctional marriages?.

Touchofgrey

Because they have a narcissistic personality, anyone who claims that god speaks through them or directs them has a personality disorder. It's all about them and there control over their family and anyone else who falls for their scams.

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follower of Eric Wilson, abusive to single women covered by paying sums of money to support Beroean Pickets tourism trips.

by buzkid in

susanne eigenheer is an ex-jw and suffered religious abuse in eric wilson's group.

her personal statement and experiences within the beroean pickets study groups was one of betrayal where she was taken advantage of financially.

in one text conversation, wendy wiens disfellowshiped susanne and demanded an apology from her.

Touchofgrey

Until people recognize that religions and domestic abusers use the same tactics to manipulate and control their victims and they need to educate themselves to identify the red flags of physiological manipulation and coercive control.

When Someone escapes from a abusive relationship or religion and the victims failed to do this they will fall into the same trap again, and get involved in another controlling religion and its beliefs or another abusive relationship.

I'm a survivor of both, a abusive and controlling marriage and a abusive and controlling religion.

Please do independent research into physiological manipulation and coercive control and you will see how all religions use these tactics to control people.

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The Lunatics Have Taken Over the Asylum

by nicolaou in

jw
friends

https://youtu.be/on-y9pv-cja?si=lr1dar4yshvymk7a.

just a song i really like.

it don't mean nothin' .

Touchofgrey

or even this forum

I thought it was just me 😂

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BEROEAN PICKETS:- VIcky And Mike's Story. "Judged To Be Like The Antichrist "

by buzkid in

vicky and mike hobbs are ex jehovah’s witnesses and ex beroean pickets members their personal statements and experiences within the beroean pickets bible study groups wasn't pleasant.

and vicky was likened to the antichrist because of her differing views.

spiritual abuse is becoming more widespread and the purpose of this interview is to raise awareness, provide education around spiritual and religious abuse, and to keep the public safe.

Touchofgrey

Mark was written about AD66 -70

Matthew and Luke around AD 85-90

John AD90-100

As the average life expectancy was about 40-45 .

So biblical scholars hold that they were written by anonymous authors and not written by eyewitness.